The assassination of Charlie Kirk has shaken the world. What does it mean for the Church, for freedom and for the future of our nations?
In this episode, I sit down with Rev Dr Paul “PJ” Bedwell, the new CEO of Youth for Christ Australia – an organisation discipling and evangelising young Australians across schools, prisons, digital platforms and the streets. We discuss the urgency of Gospel Truth in a culture that is rapidly criminalising biblical Christianity.
Together we explore:
⚡ How PJ prepares his own children for the reality of him being jailed or worse.
⚡ What Charlie Kirk’s assassination reveals about the state of America, Australia, and the West.
⚡ Whether “Christian nationalism” is biblical or dangerous.
⚡ Why persecution has always fuelled revival, not stopped it.
⚡ The unavoidable political implications of the gospel in a hostile culture.
This is not just a conversation about one man’s tragic death. It’s about the future of Christianity in free nations, the cost of following Jesus and whether we will be bold enough to speak the Truth when it matters most.
👉 Watch now, and share this with a friend who needs courage for the days ahead.
The Church And State Show, recorded 17SEP25, hosted by Dave Pellowe with special guest Rev Dr Paul Bedwell. To be part of the live online audience during recording, subscribe now at DavePellowe.com/follow.
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Dave Pellowe is a Christian political educator & writer who gives priority of philosophy to God’s Word. He founded Church And State ministries in 2016, which has grown to include annual teaching conferences in Canberra, Brisbane, Sydney, Perth, Adelaide, Hobart and regional Australia by invitation.
Specialising in what God says about complex ethical and social issues, Dave Pellowe is a sought after guest speaker at churches, Christian schools, TV, radio and podcast interviews and other secular and Christian forums where love of Truth and nonpartisan thinking are valued. [more]





