Church And State founder and Good Sauce editor Dave Pellowe was interviewed on Wednesday by Neil Johnson regarding his upcoming conference, “What Everybody Needs To Know About Manhood“. He wasted no time in slaying the sacred cow of feminism and exploding the oxymoron, “Christian feminism”.

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In a provocative episode of the radio show Vision 2020 hosted by Neil Johnson, Church and State founder Dave Pellowe delivered a scathing critique of modern feminism and a passionate defense of biblical manhood. The interview, which aired amid growing debates on gender roles, saw Pellowe argue that society is actively emasculating men, urging Christians to reclaim God’s design for masculinity. With callers and texters weighing in, the discussion highlighted tensions between cultural norms and scriptural truths, all while promoting Pellowe’s upcoming Manhood conference in Canberra.
 
Pellowe wasted no time in setting a controversial tone. When asked what culture gets wrong about manhood, he declared:
 
“Feminism is a toxic death cult and it’s never ever been good.”
He elaborated, linking feminism to historical ideologies:
“Bolshevik communism in 1917 introduced government-funded childcare, liberalised abortion on demand, liberalised homosexuality, opposed monogamous marriage, ended inheritance tax. I mean, all of these policies are essentially feminism.”
Pellowe contended that feminism’s core aim was to:
“liberate women from the slavery of marriage and of being homemakers, mothers and wives, to go and work in the industrial revolution… and to be separated from their very young children in their most vulnerable years.”
He emphasised the erosion of masculinity under feminist influences, stating:
“The concept of masculinity and manhood today has been so eroded and compromised and assailed… by this lying, deceiving cult that there is no difference between the sexes or the differences don’t matter or are merely trivial.”
Pellowe stressed complementary gender roles:
“We’re designed very differently with very deliberate purposes given to us by God that are complementary, not inferior or superior, but different, beautifully different. And it is a lie from the devil.”
Johnson probed on “Christian feminism,” suggesting some view it through a biblical lens. Pellowe rejected this outright:
“There’s no such thing as a Christian feminist. If you think Christianity needs to be improved by feminism, you’re not a Christian. Feminism needs to be improved because it’s pathologically, sociopathically murderous and deceitful.”
He added:
“If you want to do good by women, be a Christian. If you want to do good by men, be a Christian. You don’t need to be anything else.”
Comparing it to flawed ideologies, he quipped:
“Hitler made good roads. That doesn’t make him a good person or national socialism a good idea.”
The conversation turned to religious freedom, with Pellowe referencing a recent scandal:
“There’s a scandal going on in Queensland newspapers at the moment about one pastor being horribly defamed… The source of the attack is he and his church criticised or suggested important amendments to conversion therapy legislation.”
He described such laws as:
“a direct attack on the Christian mandate to convert people, to preach, to pray, to counsel. They want you to think of torture, but what they mean is Christianity: preaching, praying, counseling.”
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Callers enriched the dialogue. Richard from Tasmania praised Pellowe’s views, noting Jesus as the ultimate example of manhood:
“There was no better, greater example of a man than Jesus. Standing up for women, being a real man, a protector, and a giver of dignity.”
Pellowe agreed, highlighting how Jesus and the apostles were “fully counter-cultural,” lifting women without erasing differences:
“They defied the culture when they invited women into the company of men to learn at Jesus’s feet… without saying they’re the same as men, without saying they’re equal.”
Adam from Victoria drew parallels to biblical women like Jezebel, whom Pellowe called “the archetypal feminist,” characterised by “promiscuity and overt sexuality… emasculation of men… and child sacrifice.” He linked this to modern issues:
“Abortion is the holy sacrament of feminism, or the unholy sacrament of feminism.”
Pellowe addressed patriarchy in his upcoming talk, “Patriarchy is God’s Blessing,” explaining it as “the headship role that God designed for men in society, in families, and in the church.” Referencing Ephesians 5, he said:
“Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church… If the way you’re treating your wife or children is not the way you can imagine Christ treating the church, then you’re doing it wrong.”
He portrayed it as sacrificial:
“Your job as a man in leading your wife… is to portray the gospel… Patriarchy is God’s blessing because it is designed to give the rest of the world protection, provision and empowerment.”
On childcare, responding to a text, Pellowe cited science:
“Neuroscience says that the child’s most important character and socially emotional development years are zero to three years old… It’s harmful for children to be raised by strangers, especially in the first three years.”
Philip from Western Australia lauded Pellowe as a “hero of the faith,” criticising cultural pressures, “Men becoming more feminine, women more masculine, the roles of gender totally confusing.” Pellowe lamented the “feminised” Church:
“Far too many pulpits have become soft and mealy-mouthed, apologetic, limp-wristed apologisers instead of apologists for the gospel.”
In closing, Pellowe defended Jesus’ masculinity:

“I don’t think men should be teary and vulnerable.

 

I think men should be in control. I don’t think Jesus put on a public display of weeping and throwing His head in His hands. Yes, it records that it happened, and men do cry, but they don’t make open shows of it without any reservation.

 

These are the people we need fighting for us, protecting us from the worst enemies, not showing weakness. Vulnerability is a word that is probably overused, because if you mean honesty and authenticity, well, that’s a very good thing, but a vulnerability is something that gets exploited, a vulnerability in your armour, a vulnerability in your defenses, a vulnerability in your logic and your arguments.That’s not a good thing.

 

I think Jesus was authentic and real, but I can’t think of more than one occasion where the Gospels record Him being emotional, which speaks to the depth of crisis that had to be going on in His heart… I think the exception actually proves the rule that men are different from women. We’re not emotional.

 

We’re rational. We’re not people given to outbursts. We’re people who should be in control and lead.

 

Now, that doesn’t mean women are always irrational. Don’t imagine things I’m not saying.I am saying we’re different, and those differences are good.“

He urged attendance at the September 6 conference at manhood.net.au:
“It’s for women and men and adolescents… Women, if you want to work well with men, if you want to live well with men, then you need to understand men.”
This interview underscores Pellowe’s unapologetic stance, sparking vital conversations on faith, gender and culture in a polarised era.

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Dave Pellowe is a Christian political educator & writer who gives priority of philosophy to God’s Word. He founded Church And State ministries in 2016, which has grown to include annual teaching conferences in Canberra, Brisbane, Sydney, Perth, Adelaide, Hobart and regional Australia by invitation.

Specialising in what God says about complex ethical and social issues, Dave Pellowe is a sought after guest speaker at churches, Christian schools, TV, radio and podcast interviews and other secular and Christian forums where love of Truth and nonpartisan thinking are valued. [more]

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